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have the worst sort of ignorance of the highest truths´I mean to
say�察�that they are wholly unaquainted with politics�察�of which�察�above
all other sciences�察�they believe themselves to have acquired the
most perfect knowledge。
Y。 Soc。 Very true。
Str。 Then the question arises�此�which of these untrue forms of
government is the least oppressive to their subjects�察�though they
are all oppressive�察�and which is the worst of them�拭�Here is a
consideration which is beside our present purpose�察�and yet having
regard to the whole it seems to influence all our actions�此�we must
examine it。
Y。 Soc。 Yes�察�we must。
Str。 You may say that of the three forms�察�the same is at once the
hardest and the easiest。
Y。 Soc。 What do you mean��
Str。 I am speaking of the three forms of government�察�which I
mentioned at the beginning of this discussion´monarchy�察�the rule of
the few�察�and the rule of the many。
Y。 Soc。 True。
Str。 If we divide each of these we shall have six�察�from which the
true one may be distinguished as a seventh。
Y。 Soc。 How would you make the division��
Str。 Monarchy divides into royalty and tyranny�察�the rule of the
few into aristocracy�察�which has an auspicious name�察�and
oligarchy�察�and
democracy or the rule of the many�察�which before was one�察�must now be
divided。
Y。 Soc。 On what principle of division��
Str。 On the same principle as before�察�although the name is now
discovered to have a twofold meaning�察�For the distinction of ruling
with law or without applies to this as well as to the rest。
Y。 Soc。 Yes。
Str。 The division made no difference when we were looking for the
perfect State�察�as we showed before。 But now that this has been
separated off�察�and�察�as we said�察�the others alone are left for us��
the principle of law and the absence of law will bisect them all。
Y。 Soc。 That would seem follow�察�from what has been said。
Str。 Then monarchy�察�when bound by good prescriptions or
laws�察�is the
best of all the six�察�and when lawless is the most bitter and
oppressive to the subject。
Y。 Soc。 True。
Str。 The government of the few which is intermediate
between that of
the one and many�察�is also intermediate in good and evil�察�but the
government of the many is in every respect weak and unable to do
either any great good or any great evil�察�when compared with the
others�察�because the offices are too minutely subdivided and too many
hold them。 And this therefore is the worst of all lawful
governments�察�and the best of all lawless ones。 If they are
all without
the restraints of law�察�democracy is the form in which to
live is best��
if they are well ordered then this is the last which you should
choose�察�as royalty�察�the first form�察�is the best�察�with the
exception of
the seventh for that excels them all�察�and is among States what God
is among men。
Y。 Soc。 You are quite right�察�and we should choose that above all。
Str。 The members of all these States�察�with the exception of the
one which has knowledge may be set aside as being not Statesmen but
partisans´upholders of the most monstrous idols�察�and
themselves idols��
and�察�being the greatest imitators and magicians�察�they are also the
greatest of Sophists。
Y。 Soc。 The name of Sophist after many windings in the argument
appears to have been most justly fixed upon the politicians�察�as they
are termed。
Str。 And so our satyric drama has been played out�察�and the troop
of Centaurs and Satyrs�察�however unwilling to leave the stage�察�have
at last been separated from the political science。
Y。 Soc。 So I perceive。
Str。 There remain�察�however�察�natures still more troublesome��
because they are more nearly akin to the king�察�and more difficult to
discern�察�the examination of them may be compared to the process of
refining gold。
Y。 Soc。 What is your meaning��
Str。 The workmen begin by sifting away the earth and stones and
the like�察�there remain in a confused mass the valuable clements akin
to gold�察�which can only be separated by fire´copper�察�silver�察�
and other
precious metals�察�these are at last refined away by the use of tests��
until the gold is left quite pure。
Y。 Soc。 Yes�察�that is the way in which these things are said to be
done。
Str。 In like manner�察�all alien and uncongenial matter has been
separated from political science�察�and what is precious and of a
kindred nature has been left�察�there remain the nobler arts of the
general and the judge�察�and the higher sort of oratory which
is an ally
of the royal art�察�and persuades men to do justice�察�and assists in
guiding the helm of States�此�How can we best clear away all these��
leaving him whom we seek alone and unalloyed��
Y。 Soc。 That is obviously what has in some way to be attempted。
Str。 If the attempt is all that is wanting�察�he shall certainly be
brought to light�察�and I think that the illustration of music may
assist in exhibiting him。 Please to answer me a question。
Y。 Soc。 What question��
Str。 There is such a thing as learning music or handicraft arts in
general��
Y。 Soc。 There is。
Str。 And is there any higher art or science�察�having power to
decide which of these arts are and are not to be learned�察�what do
you say��
Y。 Soc。 I should answer that there is。
Str。 And do we acknowledge this science to be different from the
others��
Y。 Soc。 Yes。
Str。 And ought the other sciences to be superior to this�察�or no
single science to any other�拭�Or ought this science to be the
overseer and governor of all the others��
Y。 Soc。 The latter。
Str。 You mean to say that the science which judges whether we
ought to learn or not�察�must be superior to the science which is
learned or which teaches��
Y。 Soc。 Far superior。
Str。 And the science which determines whether we ought to persuade
or not�察�must be superior to the science which is able to persuade��
Y。 Soc。 Of course。
Str。 Very good�察�and to what science do we assign the power of
persuading a multitude by a pleasing tale and not by teaching��
Y。 Soc。 That power�察�I think�察�must clearly be assigned to rhetoric。
Str。 And to what science do we give the power of
determining whether
we are to employ persuasion or force towards any one�察�or to refrain
altogether��
Y。 Soc。 To that science which governs the arts of speech and
persuasion。
Str。 Which�察�if I am not mistaken�察�will be politics��
Y。 Soc。 Very good。
Str。 Rhetoric seems to be quickly distinguished from
politics�察�being
a different species�察�yet ministering to it。
Y。 Soc。 Yes。
Str。 But what would you think of another sort of power or science��
Y。 Soc。 What science��
Str。 The science which has to do with military operations against
our enemies´is that to be regarded as a science or not��
Y。 Soc。 How can generalship and military tactics be regarded as
other than a science��
Str。 And is the art which is able and knows how to advise when we
are to go to war�察�or to make peace�察�the same as this or different��
Y。 Soc。 If we are to be consistent�察�we must say different。
Str。 And we must also suppose that this rules the other�察�if we are
not to give up our former notion��
Y。 Soc。 True。
Str。 And�察�considering how great and terrible the whole art of war
is�察�can we imagine any which is superior to it but the truly royal��
Y。 Soc。 No other。
Str。 The art of the general is only ministerial�察�and therefore not
political��
Y。 Soc。 Exactly。
Str。 Once more let us consider the nature of the righteous judge。
Y。 Soc。 Very good。
Str。 Does he do anything but decide the dealings of men with one
another to be just or unjust in accordance with the standard which
he receives from the king and legislator´showing his own peculiar
virtue only in this�察�that he is not perverted by gifts�察�or fears�察�or
pity�察�or by any sort of favour or enmity�察�into deciding the suits of
men with one another contrary to the appointment of the legislator��
Y。 Soc。 No�察�his office is such as you describe。
Str。 Then the inference is that the power of the judge is
not royal��
but only the power of a guardian of the law which ministers to the
royal power��
Y。 Soc。 True。
Str。 The review of all these sciences shows that none of them is
political or royal。 For the truly royal ought not itself to act�察�but
to rule over those who are able to act�察�the king ought to
know what is
and what is not a fitting opportunity for taking the initiative in
matters of the greatest importance�察�whilst others�察�should execute
his orders。
Y。 Soc。 True。
Str。 And�察�therefore�察�the arts which we have described�察�as they
have no authority over themselves or one another�察�but are
each of them
concerned with some special action of their own�察�have�察�as they ought
to have�察�special names corresponding to their several actions。
Y。 Soc。 I agree。
Str。 And the science which is over them all�察�and has charge of the
laws�察�and of all matters affecting the State�察�and truly weaves them
all into one�察�if we would describe under a name characteristic of
their common nature�察�most truly we may call politics。
Y。 Soc。 Exactly so。
Str。 Then�察�now that we have discovered the
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